One
of the most interesting moments of The
Sun Also Rises to me is when Jake goes into the cathedral in Spain and is
actually narrating his internal thoughts. This specific passage reminds me most
of Woolf and lets the reader get a glimpse inside Jake’s head. There are very few moments in the narration of
the book in which Jake goes through his thought progressions. Most of the book he is either describing
things around him or going through dialogue with other characters. In this
scene he chronicles his drifting thoughts while he is praying.
“At the end of the street I saw the
cathedral and walked up toward it. The first time I ever saw it I thought the
facade was ugly but I liked it now. I went inside. It was dim and dark and the
pillars went high up, and there were people praying, and it smelt of incense,
and there were some wonderful big windows. I knelt and started to pray and
prayed for everybody I thought of, Brett and Mike and Bill and Robert Cohn and
myself, and all the bull-fighters, separately for the ones I liked, and lumping
all the rest, then I prayed for myself again, and while I was praying for
myself I found I was getting sleepy, so I prayed that the bull-fights would be
good, and that it would be a fine fiesta, and that we would get some fishing. I
wondered if there was anything else I might pray for, and I thought I would
like to have some money, so I prayed that I would make a lot of money, and then
I started to think how I would make it, and thinking of making money reminded
me of the count, and I started wondering about where he was, and regretting I
hadn’t seen him since that night in Montmartre, and about something funny Brett
told me about him, and as all the time I was kneeling with my forehead on the
wood in front of me, and was thinking of myself as praying, I was a little
ashamed, and regretted that I was such a rotten Catholic, but realized there
was nothing I could do about it, at least for a while, and maybe never, but that
anyway it was a grand religion, and I only wished I felt religious and maybe I
would the next time; and then I was out in the hot sun on the steps of the
cathedral, and the forefingers and the thumb of my right hand were still damp,
and I felt them dry in the sun. The sunlight was hot and hard, and I crossed
over beside some buildings, and walked back along side-streets to the hotel.”
This
passage seems a little out of Hemmingway’s style and a little more like Woolf,
with a multitude of commas and run-on sentences. The second to last sentence is whopping 196
words. That is INSANE for Hemmingway’s
normal style of as short as possible, direct sentences conveying a single idea
that is always more complicated that it seems. (“It felt good to be warm and in
bed.” “The wine was good.” “I had a bad time.” etc) To me this also is one of
the most relatable moments of the book.
It is very human to have thought digressions and here Jake is feeling
ashamed that his thought digressions are drifting away from what he thinks
should be in his prayers.
I think that religion is an incredibly important part
of Jake’s life that we only see glimpses of throughout the book. He comes to the conclusion that he’s a
“rotten Catholic,” but doesn’t feel that there is anything he can do to change
that. He seems a little frustrated that he doesn’t feel very religious at that
particular moment and hopes that maybe next time he would be able to concentrate
better on his prayers. He is the only character in the book that ever gives any
thought to religion besides Brett who says, “[God] never worked very well with
me.”
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ReplyDeleteIn this scene, I got the sense that Jake was forgiving God for what happened to him in the war. With his injury, I assume that Jake was in the same boat at Brett, saying that God never worked well with him either. His injury in the war is very tragic and one can assume that he blamed God and Catholisism for it. But, once he walks into this church in Spain, he is able to forvige the Catholic Church and move on. Jake's been a "rotten Catholic" because he has blamed the Church for his personal problems instead of letting it help him with his spiritual problems. I do agree that this part of the book isn't very Hemingway-esk, but it's definitely a momentus moment in Jake's life and it comes to show how Jake can develop a lot as a character when he is alone.
ReplyDeleteA very interesting observation! This book at first seemed so opposite to Woolf's style that it seems bizarre that one can find a passage which draws upon similar sentence structures. With this being said, I still think that Hemingway is still doing the whole tip of the iceberg thing though, but maybe giving us slightly more material to work with. He's thinking of all these things that he wants to pray about, showing us what might be most important to him. So we are being allowed to delve a little deeper into what Jake is thinking but we still have to infer how much each thought means to him. But the fact that Hemingway uses religion as this tool to help us further understand Jake must show the importance of it in Jake's life.
ReplyDeleteGood observation! To add my two cents: The passage showcases a point where Hemingway sort of crosses over this line of simplicity and surface writing into a more honest, kind of real moment. We get to see Jake at a point in his thoughts that's very real and, for me, most mirrored Woolf because we get to see Jake reflecting on his life. In the rest of the novel, he tends to steer away from reflection, and seems to write mostly about the present, except for a few cases like this one where he lets himself think about people and himself and he seems v tender. Woolf's writing is almost all reflection and people's thoughts, except for a few cases where she has to narrate the present. They're like each other's inverses or something. This passage seems very strong because its kind of a real moment in this dream-like, crazy trip to Spain! P cool
ReplyDelete^I think I should have talked more in this about the importance of reflection in this passage. Not only is he outlining his thoughts, but is also looking BACK on the past. Most of the story is told completely in the present and we only learn about the past through certain glossed-over conversations. Take Jake's injury for example: he never actually talks about what happened to him but we can learn through his interactions (or lack there of) with Georgette and Brett. What makes this passage stand out if that he is reflecting on his past life as a Catholic and thinking about the future.
DeleteIt is funny the way he thinks about the future. "and regretted that I was such a rotten Catholic, but realized there was nothing I could do about it, at least for a while, and maybe never," I found this thought similar to the ones I have at night when I"m thinking aimlessly. Like "Oh I should get up and run 2 miles at 6am every morning" but then a few minutes later I would think "That's completely impractical". I think this is what is going through Jake's mind. He thinks of ways to be better, but dismisses them when he knows that he can't follow through with them.
DeleteVery interesting pickup there. The length and SUPER in-depth description from the section gives an illusion of Woolf's style. Hemingway's sentences definitely remain short and action-based, but the closeness of his accounts and run-on nature add to the effect. However, it never quite reaches the level of Mrs. Dalloway, where sentences reflect the emotional nuances the character is feeling. You can't really pick up on how Jake totally feels about the church or his actions in it until he describes himself feeling regret. Also, it remains entirely in the present, unlike many Woolf passages that delve into flashbacks to get points across.
ReplyDeleteYes this is key! One of the huge reasons why this passage would not pass for Woolf is the content and tense. Hemmingway never talks about what Jake FEELS, while Woolf basically only talks about what her characters feel. Here Jake also never talks about specific moments in the past, just vague sayings like "I was a rotten Catholic" which can be looked at in many different ways.
DeleteThis small section helps to put the rest of the book in perspective. This section is the oddball out and when I read it I got sort of confused as to why Hemingway would include it in this book. It makes sense though, because as I was reading I actually noticed something was different. I could tell that the style changed a little. I believe Hemingway added this section so that the reader would notice how the rest of the book characterizes based on surface of the characters. As opposed to Woolf's technique: delving into the emotions and thoughts of the characters.
ReplyDeleteThis passage felt very out-of-place to me when I read it, but I think it adds a lot to the story. To me, Jake is 'slipping' here in a couple of interesting ways. He starts out by praying, but then begins to lose focus and think about all sorts of other things. Jake is also slipping out of his traditional narration style, running on without his usual fondness for periods. And finally, he is revealing much more about himself than he usually does in the book. A lot still goes unsaid, but we get a reasonably clear picture of what Jake thinks of himself, religion, his friends, and so on. This 'slip' into his actual thoughts (rather than the careful style that most of the book follows) is highly reminiscent of how Woolf writes, and also is valuable to us as readers because we can get a better idea of how he actually feels about things.
ReplyDeleteI never really thought about this section until you mentioned it! Hemingway really does step out of his normal style, although while reading this passage I didn't notice the run-ons because all the commas can easily be taken out and replaced with periods, thus creating Hemingway's signature writing style. His change in style really emphasizes this part of the book, especially when it is one of the only scenes where we can somewhat see what Jake values, other than bullfighting and Brett.
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DeleteNice post, I definitely overlooked this passage. I think this goes very nicely with Hemingway's contrast of the pastoral and the urban. This is a very authentic moment with Jake, and although he calls himself a rotten Catholic, he seems to be, for a moment, completely at peace with his life and himself. Brett's choice to avoid religion entirely may also indicate her inability to face herself, as she was unable to handle the environment. Jake however finds solace in this seclusion.
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ReplyDeleteI really liked this blog post because this passage didn't really stand out to me when I read the novel. I think in this moment, Jake is truly happy and at peace. This seems out of place with the rest of the novel, because these are not emotions very commonly displayed by any of the characters. I also think this passage (and a few others) shows that Jake's faith is very important to him, despite his "hard-boiled" behaviors.
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